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	<title>Comments on: Revolutionary holdout&#8230; Maybe Bowie not Lennon.  Definitely not Lenin.</title>
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		<title>By: ITSinsider &#124; Enterprise 2.0 meets Reality TV</title>
		<link>http://itsinsider.com/2006/10/07/revolutionary-holdout-maybe-bowie-not-lennon-definitely-not-lenin/#comment-596</link>
		<dc:creator>ITSinsider &#124; Enterprise 2.0 meets Reality TV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 23:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] many years (yes, years) have I been complaining there are not enough case studies in Enterprise 2.0? Well, I guess that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Twain, Enterprise 2.0 and the CIO &#171; Vendorprisey</title>
		<link>http://itsinsider.com/2006/10/07/revolutionary-holdout-maybe-bowie-not-lennon-definitely-not-lenin/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Twain, Enterprise 2.0 and the CIO &#171; Vendorprisey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up your own mind.&#160; I don&#8217;t buy it, but then I work for an evil big vendor.&#160; Susan predicts a revolution.&#160; Larry provides a good summary of the CIO angst wave. This debate won&#8217;t go away–in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up your own mind.&nbsp; I don&#8217;t buy it, but then I work for an evil big vendor.&nbsp; Susan predicts a revolution.&nbsp; Larry provides a good summary of the CIO angst wave. This debate won&#8217;t go away–in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis D. McDonald in Alexandria, Virginia USA</title>
		<link>http://itsinsider.com/2006/10/07/revolutionary-holdout-maybe-bowie-not-lennon-definitely-not-lenin/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis D. McDonald in Alexandria, Virginia USA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to be a fence-sitter on this one, but you are both right. For some it&#039;s a revolution, for some it&#039;s a transformation. That&#039;s not so hard to comprehend and take action on. Some thoughts are here:
http://www.ddmcd.com/get_real.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to be a fence-sitter on this one, but you are both right. For some it&#8217;s a revolution, for some it&#8217;s a transformation. That&#8217;s not so hard to comprehend and take action on. Some thoughts are here:<br />
<a href="http://www.ddmcd.com/get_real.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ddmcd.com/get_real.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wikis and SAP Developer Network. Reality not hype. &#171; Vendorprisey</title>
		<link>http://itsinsider.com/2006/10/07/revolutionary-holdout-maybe-bowie-not-lennon-definitely-not-lenin/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Wikis and SAP Developer Network. Reality not hype. &#171; Vendorprisey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  I will leave whether this is a revolution or not to Susan, but it seems to me that the content and document management space will never be quite the same again. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: theotherthomasotter</title>
		<link>http://itsinsider.com/2006/10/07/revolutionary-holdout-maybe-bowie-not-lennon-definitely-not-lenin/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>theotherthomasotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan
my references were from a childhood spent reading way too much history...!-), so even wikipedia is likely to be far more accurate.

I reckon we are in for a reformation rather than a revolution. Some things will change, but less than the zealots will have us believe.

But then, as that happy chap kafka once said, &quot;every revolution evaporates, leaving only the slime of a new bureaucracy.&quot;

As Arnold said, &quot;I&#039;ll be back&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan<br />
my references were from a childhood spent reading way too much history&#8230;!-), so even wikipedia is likely to be far more accurate.</p>
<p>I reckon we are in for a reformation rather than a revolution. Some things will change, but less than the zealots will have us believe.</p>
<p>But then, as that happy chap kafka once said, &#8220;every revolution evaporates, leaving only the slime of a new bureaucracy.&#8221;</p>
<p>As Arnold said, &#8220;I&#8217;ll be back&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: susanitsa</title>
		<link>http://itsinsider.com/2006/10/07/revolutionary-holdout-maybe-bowie-not-lennon-definitely-not-lenin/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>susanitsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello there, Thomas.  As it turns out, Wikipedia, that snarky little web 2.0 product (ironic?) was my source on the &quot;short.&quot;  There is a page that lists the timing on all the revolutions.  It was the Wikipedia zealot editors that gave me the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_revolutions_and_rebellions&quot; title=&quot;revolutions and timing&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;timeframe&lt;/a&gt;.  So you, too, can contribute to the dialogue and challenge the Wikipedia editors and put forward your timing on the American Revolution.  There were several (admittedly, not the majority) that were longer than a few months or a year.  I chose the American Revolution because it was the one I think most Yanks are familiar with (and this comprises the bulk of my readership.)

I&#039;m sticking with the revolutionary language for now. I&#039;m praying it doesn&#039;t lead to bloodshed, but I feel the resulting overthrow of the existing order (apps and central control hierarchies) will justify the metaphor.

Thanks for dropping in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello there, Thomas.  As it turns out, Wikipedia, that snarky little web 2.0 product (ironic?) was my source on the &#8220;short.&#8221;  There is a page that lists the timing on all the revolutions.  It was the Wikipedia zealot editors that gave me the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_revolutions_and_rebellions" title="revolutions and timing" rel="nofollow">timeframe</a>.  So you, too, can contribute to the dialogue and challenge the Wikipedia editors and put forward your timing on the American Revolution.  There were several (admittedly, not the majority) that were longer than a few months or a year.  I chose the American Revolution because it was the one I think most Yanks are familiar with (and this comprises the bulk of my readership.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sticking with the revolutionary language for now. I&#8217;m praying it doesn&#8217;t lead to bloodshed, but I feel the resulting overthrow of the existing order (apps and central control hierarchies) will justify the metaphor.</p>
<p>Thanks for dropping in!</p>
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		<title>By: theotherthomasotter</title>
		<link>http://itsinsider.com/2006/10/07/revolutionary-holdout-maybe-bowie-not-lennon-definitely-not-lenin/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>theotherthomasotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan,
interesting thoughts. super blog.
When would you date the start of the revolution?

Not being American, I&#039;m cautious about commenting on your revolution but
I suppose an American historian would date the outbreak of the revolution as the protest against the Intolerable Acts in October 1774. I&#039;d argue that the revolution itself was short, ending with the declaration of independence in 1776. The war of independence that followed was the long bit.

Most revolutions are short, sharp, and bloody and fail. Think Bay of pigs, Baden in 1847, Paris in 1846, Germany in 1919, India 1857, Slagters nek in 1816, Russia 1905....

I posted something vaguely relevant a couple of months ago http://theotherthomasotter.wordpress.com/2006/04/13/vaporising-middle-managementwith-web-20/

I dont there is real evidence of revolution yet. I&#039;m yet to read the 2.0 Thomas Paine, and no one is throwing Microsoft CDs into the charles river.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan,<br />
interesting thoughts. super blog.<br />
When would you date the start of the revolution?</p>
<p>Not being American, I&#8217;m cautious about commenting on your revolution but<br />
I suppose an American historian would date the outbreak of the revolution as the protest against the Intolerable Acts in October 1774. I&#8217;d argue that the revolution itself was short, ending with the declaration of independence in 1776. The war of independence that followed was the long bit.</p>
<p>Most revolutions are short, sharp, and bloody and fail. Think Bay of pigs, Baden in 1847, Paris in 1846, Germany in 1919, India 1857, Slagters nek in 1816, Russia 1905&#8230;.</p>
<p>I posted something vaguely relevant a couple of months ago <a href="http://theotherthomasotter.wordpress.com/2006/04/13/vaporising-middle-managementwith-web-20/" rel="nofollow">http://theotherthomasotter.wordpress.com/2006/04/13/vaporising-middle-managementwith-web-20/</a></p>
<p>I dont there is real evidence of revolution yet. I&#8217;m yet to read the 2.0 Thomas Paine, and no one is throwing Microsoft CDs into the charles river.</p>
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		<title>By: susanitsa</title>
		<link>http://itsinsider.com/2006/10/07/revolutionary-holdout-maybe-bowie-not-lennon-definitely-not-lenin/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>susanitsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 16:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry! This is better than being inducted into the e-male club... :-)  Thanks!  I&#039;ve been sweatin&#039; this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry! This is better than being inducted into the e-male club&#8230; <img src='http://itsinsider.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Thanks!  I&#8217;ve been sweatin&#8217; this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Enterprise Web 2.0 &#187; Zen and the Art of Enterprise 2.0</title>
		<link>http://itsinsider.com/2006/10/07/revolutionary-holdout-maybe-bowie-not-lennon-definitely-not-lenin/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Enterprise Web 2.0 &#187; Zen and the Art of Enterprise 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 15:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The always provocative Susan Scrupski has taken issue with Andrew McAfee&#8217;s assertion that Enterprise 2.0 is more of a transformation than a revolution:  Yes, we’re transforming the enterprise with new alternatives, but there is an undercurrent of shall-I-say… Raging against the Machine… that is driving the move to self-help applications. I’ve been harping on the socio-cultural underpinnings on the “movement” and the freedom of choice that web 2.0 applications provide to users for months now. For whatever their reason (I hate Outlook, Excel, SAP, Oracle, fillintheblank for xxx reason), users are turned off by the establishment’s choices and are psychologically primed to look at alternatives. That smacks of revolution– not transformation. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The always provocative Susan Scrupski has taken issue with Andrew McAfee&#8217;s assertion that Enterprise 2.0 is more of a transformation than a revolution:  Yes, we’re transforming the enterprise with new alternatives, but there is an undercurrent of shall-I-say… Raging against the Machine… that is driving the move to self-help applications. I’ve been harping on the socio-cultural underpinnings on the “movement” and the freedom of choice that web 2.0 applications provide to users for months now. For whatever their reason (I hate Outlook, Excel, SAP, Oracle, fillintheblank for xxx reason), users are turned off by the establishment’s choices and are psychologically primed to look at alternatives. That smacks of revolution– not transformation. [...]</p>
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